1 00:00:09,090 --> 00:00:06,000 [Music] 2 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:09,100 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 3 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:13,920 from Australia for science and reason 4 00:00:22,870 --> 00:00:16,890 [Applause] 5 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:22,880 [Music] 6 00:00:31,390 --> 00:00:25,500 yes it's the skeptic zone podcast 7 00:00:34,130 --> 00:00:31,400 episode number 455 for the 9th of July 8 00:00:37,189 --> 00:00:34,140 2017 Richard Saunders here with you from 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:37,199 Sydney Australia fresh off the plane 10 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:39,570 very fresh off the plane a matter of 11 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:42,510 hours ago I flew across the Pacific from 12 00:00:47,150 --> 00:00:44,489 San Francisco got a lot of sleep on the 13 00:00:49,729 --> 00:00:47,160 flight I'm delighted to say I had a 14 00:00:53,540 --> 00:00:49,739 window seat with no window yes row 15 00:00:57,170 --> 00:00:53,550 thirty-eight row I booked a window seat 16 00:00:59,750 --> 00:00:57,180 I thought I could look at the view see 17 00:01:00,229 --> 00:00:59,760 the stars maybe and when I got to my 18 00:01:04,340 --> 00:01:00,239 seat 19 00:01:06,260 --> 00:01:04,350 it was a blank wall well at least it 20 00:01:09,410 --> 00:01:06,270 meant I could sort of lean against the 21 00:01:10,730 --> 00:01:09,420 wall stuff the pillow there reclined the 22 00:01:12,620 --> 00:01:10,740 seat a little bit and actually I've got 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:12,630 about six hours sleep so that's not too 24 00:01:18,889 --> 00:01:16,410 bad but now I'm rushing rushing to get 25 00:01:22,910 --> 00:01:18,899 the sceptic zone out before the jetlag 26 00:01:24,650 --> 00:01:22,920 takes over because before long the the 27 00:01:26,690 --> 00:01:24,660 eyelids are going to start to shut I'm 28 00:01:28,399 --> 00:01:26,700 pretty sure so while I'm still awake 29 00:01:30,770 --> 00:01:28,409 coming up on this week's episode of the 30 00:01:34,039 --> 00:01:30,780 skeptic zone I catch up with my dear 31 00:01:36,649 --> 00:01:34,049 friend James Randi yeah I saw James 32 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:36,659 Randi at the Nexus in New York the 33 00:01:40,370 --> 00:01:38,369 Northeast Conference of science and 34 00:01:41,990 --> 00:01:40,380 skepticism and over the coming weeks 35 00:01:45,649 --> 00:01:42,000 I'll be bringing you more interviews 36 00:01:48,380 --> 00:01:45,659 from this wonderful convention such such 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:48,390 a lineup of speakers they had this year 38 00:01:52,969 --> 00:01:50,970 was very impressive and I was delighted 39 00:01:55,850 --> 00:01:52,979 to be able to play a part in the 40 00:01:58,429 --> 00:01:55,860 conference myself I did a workshop with 41 00:01:59,929 --> 00:01:58,439 Steve novella I was a guest rogue on the 42 00:02:02,600 --> 00:01:59,939 skeptics guide to the universe which 43 00:02:04,999 --> 00:02:02,610 should be coming up soon I imagine and I 44 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:05,009 did a panel besides all that however 45 00:02:10,249 --> 00:02:07,710 today it's my interview with James Randi 46 00:02:13,310 --> 00:02:10,259 and Randy's going to discuss the various 47 00:02:13,789 --> 00:02:13,320 TV shows he was involved with over the 48 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:13,799 years 49 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:17,970 also his trip to Russia and some of his 50 00:02:22,370 --> 00:02:20,310 adventures here in Australia and lots of 51 00:02:24,050 --> 00:02:22,380 other little things besides so to kick 52 00:02:27,020 --> 00:02:24,060 off this week's episode of the skeptic 53 00:02:29,659 --> 00:02:27,030 zone and his view with James the amazing 54 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:29,669 Randi then following that it's brouhaha 55 00:02:34,189 --> 00:02:32,310 science from Australia science TV Casey 56 00:02:35,020 --> 00:02:34,199 Harrigan is going to be telling us all 57 00:02:37,309 --> 00:02:35,030 about the 58 00:02:41,690 --> 00:02:37,319 microorganisms we have crawling about 59 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:41,700 our skin yes cut wait for that bats 60 00:02:46,729 --> 00:02:44,280 brouhaha science then to round off the 61 00:02:49,099 --> 00:02:46,739 show it's Maynard spooky action may not 62 00:02:51,140 --> 00:02:49,109 heads for Sydney skeptics in the pub I 63 00:02:54,559 --> 00:02:51,150 wish I could have been there but I was 64 00:02:56,270 --> 00:02:54,569 in another country just last week may 65 00:03:00,410 --> 00:02:56,280 not winter Sydney skeptics in the pub to 66 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:00,420 hear a talk by Beth Luscombe who is a 67 00:03:06,559 --> 00:03:03,510 paranormal researcher investigator and 68 00:03:09,979 --> 00:03:06,569 she gave a talk about the similarities 69 00:03:11,990 --> 00:03:09,989 between paranormal experience and mental 70 00:03:14,659 --> 00:03:12,000 illness that's interesting 71 00:03:18,020 --> 00:03:14,669 apart from that may not ask pub now is 72 00:03:20,509 --> 00:03:18,030 the big question mister this month do 73 00:03:22,399 --> 00:03:20,519 pub goers think that the skeptical 74 00:03:23,629 --> 00:03:22,409 movement has actually made a difference 75 00:03:25,819 --> 00:03:23,639 to the world 76 00:03:28,909 --> 00:03:25,829 so that's main added skeptics in the pub 77 00:03:31,309 --> 00:03:28,919 interviewing Beth Luscombe on her point 78 00:03:33,890 --> 00:03:31,319 of view plus lots of other questions and 79 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:33,900 lots of other people who attend Sydney 80 00:03:38,629 --> 00:03:36,090 skeptics in the pub always a good night 81 00:03:40,699 --> 00:03:38,639 out well it certainly is good to be back 82 00:03:42,979 --> 00:03:40,709 at skeptic zone headquarters more than 83 00:03:44,449 --> 00:03:42,989 henriette of the cuts around here 84 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:44,459 somewhere I had actually I had to I 85 00:03:50,149 --> 00:03:47,370 kicked them out of the studio to record 86 00:03:51,860 --> 00:03:50,159 this introduction because they were all 87 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:51,870 jumping up all over the microphone and 88 00:03:56,659 --> 00:03:53,609 the keyboard as you can imagine great to 89 00:03:59,409 --> 00:03:56,669 see the skeptic zone cats once again but 90 00:04:05,479 --> 00:03:59,419 now it's time for me to sit right here 91 00:04:08,809 --> 00:04:05,489 because I have with me lots of grease 92 00:04:11,210 --> 00:04:08,819 from the United States this is a little 93 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:11,220 bottle of Tabasco brand 94 00:04:15,290 --> 00:04:14,220 le beans for example what do we have 95 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:15,300 here 96 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:18,930 in the packet candy corn a classic 97 00:04:24,110 --> 00:04:20,850 favorite that's good all year round it 98 00:04:27,170 --> 00:04:24,120 says whoo I like candy corn put those 99 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:27,180 over there next on my list wintergreen 100 00:04:30,740 --> 00:04:29,250 mints my favorite mint flavor which you 101 00:04:32,630 --> 00:04:30,750 can't really get in Australia and 102 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:32,640 finally at the request of my niece 103 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:37,520 what's this it's goldfish crackers baked 104 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:42,330 s'mores flavor oh one more thing and 105 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:44,730 I've opened it I've opened this packet 106 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:45,300 already 107 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:50,510 anw root beer flavored licorice candy 108 00:04:56,870 --> 00:04:54,690 hmm where do I start I better save some 109 00:04:58,940 --> 00:04:56,880 for my nephews and nieces I guess but 110 00:05:00,590 --> 00:04:58,950 while I ponder the mountain of American 111 00:05:02,380 --> 00:05:00,600 goodies I have in front of me I hope you 112 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:02,390 enjoy the skip exam 113 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:23,810 [Music] 114 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:30,870 secrets backstage here near the green 115 00:05:36,010 --> 00:05:33,330 room at Nexus the Northeast Conference 116 00:05:40,309 --> 00:05:36,020 of science and skepticism in New York 117 00:05:42,140 --> 00:05:40,319 Wow Wow with none other than James the 118 00:05:43,730 --> 00:05:42,150 amazing Randi Randi it's great to see 119 00:05:45,649 --> 00:05:43,740 you we haven't seen each other for a 120 00:05:48,469 --> 00:05:45,659 little while yes it's been quite a while 121 00:05:51,740 --> 00:05:48,479 and they've been changes in both of our 122 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:51,750 lives right now I think the last time I 123 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:53,490 saw you would have been the last amazing 124 00:05:57,110 --> 00:05:55,770 meeting in Las Vegas I believe so yeah 125 00:05:59,390 --> 00:05:57,120 it's not last year but the year before 126 00:06:01,429 --> 00:05:59,400 but before then was our big tour of 127 00:06:06,619 --> 00:06:01,439 Australia which I remember with with 128 00:06:09,619 --> 00:06:06,629 enormous mixed feelings Billy perfection 129 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:09,629 yeah but it was very busy very busy 130 00:06:14,779 --> 00:06:12,690 did you just zip back and forth because 131 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:14,789 Australia is a rather large place it is 132 00:06:19,909 --> 00:06:17,250 and we got as we discovered yeah yes we 133 00:06:21,860 --> 00:06:19,919 found out very easy yes but it was a 134 00:06:24,610 --> 00:06:21,870 wonderful tour though I was pretty 135 00:06:27,850 --> 00:06:24,620 pooped at the end of it but nonetheless 136 00:06:32,510 --> 00:06:27,860 that's Ryan I was younger than you were 137 00:06:35,779 --> 00:06:32,520 noticed no it wasn't it was a tiring 138 00:06:38,629 --> 00:06:35,789 I even for me in my help was I in my 139 00:06:40,309 --> 00:06:38,639 late 40s I I was tired I can't think of 140 00:06:46,159 --> 00:06:40,319 the name of the young Asian gentleman 141 00:06:48,619 --> 00:06:46,169 who helped this dish yes yes yes Susan - 142 00:06:52,550 --> 00:06:48,629 don't think without posing idiots around 143 00:06:54,170 --> 00:06:52,560 the country yes and we we toured Sydney 144 00:06:57,890 --> 00:06:54,180 and Brisbane and Melbourne and Adelaide 145 00:06:59,749 --> 00:06:57,900 and oh yes yes but it was a marvelous 146 00:07:02,209 --> 00:06:59,759 experience but what the connection 147 00:07:05,089 --> 00:07:02,219 you've had to Australia over many 148 00:07:07,820 --> 00:07:05,099 decades oh yes well dick Smith of course 149 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:07,830 of course is one of my I made your 150 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:12,449 friends there and and I would say that I 151 00:07:18,290 --> 00:07:14,610 I owe a good deal to addictively 152 00:07:20,149 --> 00:07:18,300 he made a lot of things easier for me 153 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:20,159 and for for Devi in my part 154 00:07:28,129 --> 00:07:24,110 mmm-hmm he actually got us to to go to 155 00:07:33,259 --> 00:07:28,139 the dish at cut the box observe the tree 156 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:33,269 no no no Ben Billa Canberra the the big 157 00:07:46,159 --> 00:07:43,179 Parkes and actually we had control of it 158 00:07:47,149 --> 00:07:46,169 oh yeah this is the story I've not heard 159 00:07:50,299 --> 00:07:47,159 oh really 160 00:07:53,029 --> 00:07:50,309 oh well that's very exciting and ictus 161 00:07:56,499 --> 00:07:53,039 sort of sent the word ahead that we 162 00:07:59,119 --> 00:07:56,509 should be given free run of the dish and 163 00:08:03,559 --> 00:07:59,129 and when we got there they were very 164 00:08:04,969 --> 00:08:03,569 very cooperative with this and a bit of 165 00:08:08,209 --> 00:08:04,979 a funny story to tell you in just a 166 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:08,219 second but we actually walked on the 167 00:08:14,029 --> 00:08:10,889 dish and we photographed we had a 168 00:08:17,809 --> 00:08:14,039 helicopter going overhead also supplied 169 00:08:21,049 --> 00:08:17,819 by TechSmith yes and photographed is up 170 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:21,059 close and far away and such and we 171 00:08:26,899 --> 00:08:24,089 turned out a bit of a film on that that 172 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:26,909 is is quite quite interesting but the 173 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:28,409 most interesting part of the whole thing 174 00:08:37,550 --> 00:08:33,689 I think is that at the end of of our 175 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:37,560 adventure there they lowered the dish so 176 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:41,490 that it has a step and the bottom of it 177 00:08:47,749 --> 00:08:44,310 you can just hop off and go down a set 178 00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:47,759 of stairs yeah and so they they that 179 00:08:51,530 --> 00:08:49,649 announced that the dish was ready for 180 00:08:54,439 --> 00:08:51,540 the real astronomers and people really 181 00:08:58,790 --> 00:08:54,449 use these things to use it to see and so 182 00:09:04,069 --> 00:08:58,800 we I went to the well we went to the the 183 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:04,079 central whatever building underneath me 184 00:09:11,929 --> 00:09:08,220 they tell us how big a huge huge dish 185 00:09:13,730 --> 00:09:11,939 and they had a little auditorium there 186 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:13,740 that seated about a hundred people 187 00:09:18,379 --> 00:09:16,110 itself and they had an audience for me 188 00:09:22,819 --> 00:09:18,389 and I gave a bit of a lecture there and 189 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:22,829 I looked out one of the side doors while 190 00:09:27,759 --> 00:09:24,810 I was doing the lecture and I saw Davy 191 00:09:31,189 --> 00:09:27,769 out there my partner and he was looking 192 00:09:33,319 --> 00:09:31,199 looking distressed and I thought what 193 00:09:35,299 --> 00:09:33,329 the heck is wrong with him music he was 194 00:09:37,189 --> 00:09:35,309 walking back and forth looking quite 195 00:09:40,100 --> 00:09:37,199 distressed anyway I finished my lecture 196 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:40,110 and said goodbye I got the the applause 197 00:09:45,590 --> 00:09:42,569 I think I deserved two or three people 198 00:09:47,329 --> 00:09:45,600 and so I would out to see David I said 199 00:09:49,999 --> 00:09:47,339 what happened what are you looking to 200 00:09:52,670 --> 00:09:50,009 discover he said oh he said we did 201 00:09:55,059 --> 00:09:52,680 something terrible is it so it came up 202 00:09:57,740 --> 00:09:55,069 to be an Indian fella came up to me 203 00:10:02,569 --> 00:09:57,750 while I was outside with my telephone 204 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:02,579 and he said you are causing all kinds of 205 00:10:11,179 --> 00:10:07,410 trouble with the dish 206 00:10:13,939 --> 00:10:11,189 your your brain cell phone forbidden now 207 00:10:18,079 --> 00:10:13,949 they had signs all over the place for 208 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:18,089 about old twenty miles outside saying 209 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:20,250 that they had to have suppressors on 210 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:22,769 every car engine you see that went in 211 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:25,529 there because the noise from the the car 212 00:10:29,389 --> 00:10:27,600 ignition system and everything was 213 00:10:32,059 --> 00:10:29,399 overpowering this signal coming to the 214 00:10:35,449 --> 00:10:32,069 dish because those signals are so minute 215 00:10:37,490 --> 00:10:35,459 that's why you need it a huge couple of 216 00:10:39,620 --> 00:10:37,500 hundred feet I have introduced you pick 217 00:10:42,410 --> 00:10:39,630 him up and that's where they picked up 218 00:10:44,990 --> 00:10:42,420 the the actual lunar landing you know 219 00:10:46,819 --> 00:10:45,000 the first area mystery tunnel through 220 00:10:49,189 --> 00:10:46,829 Australia yeah this very famous story 221 00:10:52,549 --> 00:10:49,199 but I had not heard that now that would 222 00:10:54,199 --> 00:10:52,559 have been in the year 2000 or something 223 00:10:58,100 --> 00:10:54,209 like something like that yes I can't 224 00:11:00,019 --> 00:10:58,110 security practices this time I well now 225 00:11:01,790 --> 00:11:00,029 I met you many years before briefly oh 226 00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:01,800 yeah talk or the first time we had a 227 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:03,750 chat was in the year 2000 when you were 228 00:11:08,509 --> 00:11:05,100 visiting Sydney for the skeptics 229 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:08,519 convention there and so I guess that 230 00:11:12,799 --> 00:11:09,929 would have been about about that same 231 00:11:15,259 --> 00:11:12,809 time about that yeah again just getting 232 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:15,269 Hawking back to the the impact and the 233 00:11:19,790 --> 00:11:17,040 relationship you've had with Australia 234 00:11:21,049 --> 00:11:19,800 but not to be not to send her on 235 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:21,059 Australia I guess there are many 236 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:23,130 countries around the world that could 237 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:25,529 say a similar thing about James Randi 238 00:11:32,540 --> 00:11:27,569 that they you've had an impact and in 239 00:11:34,730 --> 00:11:32,550 relationship knows and the well I I 240 00:11:36,199 --> 00:11:34,740 trust well the British people have a 241 00:11:38,150 --> 00:11:36,209 you've had a long relationship with the 242 00:11:41,660 --> 00:11:38,160 British oh yes did I 243 00:11:45,499 --> 00:11:41,670 with all over the the British Isles yes 244 00:11:47,930 --> 00:11:45,509 indeed and at most parts the world yeah 245 00:11:50,809 --> 00:11:47,940 as a matter of fact I'm very proud of 246 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:50,819 that that record and I hope that I've 247 00:11:58,550 --> 00:11:53,690 have left a few seeds there too to 248 00:12:04,009 --> 00:11:58,560 germinate and grow my story so to speak 249 00:12:07,910 --> 00:12:04,019 and I've got another 11th book we all 250 00:12:10,370 --> 00:12:07,920 can't wait for it yeah because this is 251 00:12:13,579 --> 00:12:10,380 the magician in the magician and the 252 00:12:17,930 --> 00:12:13,589 labyrinth you're not lavatory we had the 253 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:17,940 courage very careful yes that might be a 254 00:12:22,460 --> 00:12:21,569 different book no it was all looking 255 00:12:24,129 --> 00:12:22,470 forward to that one 256 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:24,139 then talks about things like the 257 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:27,810 homeopathic test in the UK oh yes oh yes 258 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:31,110 and rushy you went to some places where 259 00:12:36,170 --> 00:12:34,230 they purported to do science remember 260 00:12:36,769 --> 00:12:36,180 that that's special no the special right 261 00:12:42,439 --> 00:12:36,779 yes 262 00:12:44,569 --> 00:12:42,449 that's right and I must say in Russia I 263 00:12:47,870 --> 00:12:44,579 was very disappointed very disappointed 264 00:12:51,769 --> 00:12:47,880 Hill on the video yeah oh yeah because I 265 00:12:53,990 --> 00:12:51,779 found that very well of course they have 266 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:54,000 a hierarchy system you see the boss is 267 00:12:59,150 --> 00:12:56,370 always right the man that they the 268 00:13:02,120 --> 00:12:59,160 government appointed to run this lab and 269 00:13:04,069 --> 00:13:02,130 a couple of the of the technicians came 270 00:13:07,129 --> 00:13:04,079 to me afterwards and very quietly said 271 00:13:09,499 --> 00:13:07,139 we don't want to go ahead with this but 272 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:09,509 the boss wants to do it see our leader 273 00:13:14,569 --> 00:13:12,930 tells us to do this and one of them sent 274 00:13:16,699 --> 00:13:14,579 me a letter and I will never mention 275 00:13:19,970 --> 00:13:16,709 consumer growth sandy a letter saying 276 00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:19,980 that he had quietly resigned from that 277 00:13:25,249 --> 00:13:23,160 that that particular function and taken 278 00:13:27,379 --> 00:13:25,259 another position really someplace in the 279 00:13:29,449 --> 00:13:27,389 government interesting no I was happy to 280 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:29,459 hear they was able to do that but a lot 281 00:13:33,110 --> 00:13:31,110 of them weren't able to do that folks 282 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:33,120 there the videos secrets of the psychics 283 00:13:37,790 --> 00:13:35,040 with James Randi is available on YouTube 284 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:37,800 I happen to have noticed yes so it's 285 00:13:43,370 --> 00:13:40,110 well worth your time there's a wonderful 286 00:13:46,699 --> 00:13:43,380 scene when you're in Russia and they go 287 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:46,709 to take your blood pressure and they use 288 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:47,930 a wooden rule 289 00:13:55,210 --> 00:13:50,210 just kept your promise yeah this kid 290 00:13:58,030 --> 00:13:55,220 yeah I was I was doing a little bit I 291 00:14:00,070 --> 00:13:58,040 did what the hell are you doing yeah he 292 00:14:01,990 --> 00:14:00,080 was holding my pulse with one finger and 293 00:14:04,210 --> 00:14:02,000 he had a ruler there he was moving it 294 00:14:06,730 --> 00:14:04,220 back and forth on my wrist and I thought 295 00:14:08,889 --> 00:14:06,740 this is the way they take blood pressure 296 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:08,899 but apparently it was and they had a 297 00:14:12,579 --> 00:14:10,370 problem machine there and they didn't 298 00:14:14,199 --> 00:14:12,589 know how to use it I see German parented 299 00:14:16,660 --> 00:14:14,209 they couldn't connect it up work it 300 00:14:19,060 --> 00:14:16,670 wasn't working or I don't know but it's 301 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:19,070 really what it's educational to watch 302 00:14:22,949 --> 00:14:21,110 that video because it shows for example 303 00:14:26,590 --> 00:14:22,959 when they had the the miracle water 304 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:26,600 which was energized through people 305 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:28,850 standing near it and screwing up their 306 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:31,010 face and waving their hands and you 307 00:14:36,190 --> 00:14:33,529 could be detected with the dowsing rods 308 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:36,200 yeah dowsing rod yeah the story is don't 309 00:14:40,540 --> 00:14:38,450 you have to see the film in order to 310 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:40,550 understand just how ridiculous it was it 311 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:41,390 looked ridiculous 312 00:14:46,030 --> 00:14:43,910 well I was embarrassed yeah through a 313 00:14:48,070 --> 00:14:46,040 lot of it obtained these are real people 314 00:14:53,530 --> 00:14:48,080 and some of them were scientist and 315 00:14:56,130 --> 00:14:53,540 they're believing this well it's 316 00:14:58,930 --> 00:14:56,140 wonderful that not only do you have a 317 00:15:00,550 --> 00:14:58,940 long line of books to your name which 318 00:15:02,380 --> 00:15:00,560 are fantastic of course it then I 319 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:02,390 recommend all that listeners reading 320 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:04,490 your books on all those subjects but the 321 00:15:08,410 --> 00:15:06,290 videos are so important and we'll get 322 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:08,420 back to the James Randi psychic 323 00:15:14,769 --> 00:15:12,410 investigator made in the UK 1991 and 324 00:15:16,090 --> 00:15:14,779 that is on YouTube of course like the 325 00:15:19,329 --> 00:15:16,100 whole history of the world seems to be 326 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:19,339 on YouTube yeah oh yes if it's not there 327 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:21,529 it didn't happen but what I particularly 328 00:15:25,150 --> 00:15:23,330 like about that all the tests you 329 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:25,160 actually manage to get people to do on 330 00:15:29,290 --> 00:15:26,930 on television and that's a rare thing 331 00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:29,300 yeah oh yeah I know it was not easy to 332 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:33,470 do a range but because some of them drew 333 00:15:37,630 --> 00:15:35,510 I withdrew at the last moment when they 334 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:37,640 found out I was really gonna do a test 335 00:15:42,430 --> 00:15:39,950 right would you get a graphologist on 336 00:15:45,130 --> 00:15:42,440 there who did a test someone doing 337 00:15:47,889 --> 00:15:45,140 applied kinesiology and crystals and 338 00:15:50,110 --> 00:15:47,899 also you had somebody trying to use 339 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:50,120 psychometry with keys and things like 340 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:53,810 that an aura reader an astrologer and 341 00:15:58,250 --> 00:15:56,810 dowser you did remarkably well I did the 342 00:16:00,620 --> 00:15:58,260 whole spectrum I think 343 00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:00,630 I'm very proud of the series I think it 344 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:03,120 worked and I have to thank the producers 345 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:06,810 who were brave enough to let me into the 346 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:09,330 into the studio there there was one 347 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:11,970 episode in there by the way that pan 348 00:16:16,670 --> 00:16:14,370 that I well I shouldn't talk about it 349 00:16:19,070 --> 00:16:16,680 okay great link I don't even specify it 350 00:16:21,770 --> 00:16:19,080 but there was one episode there where 351 00:16:23,770 --> 00:16:21,780 the information on a map and you might 352 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:23,780 know the one I'm referring to right 353 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:27,510 leach okay because the the prop man just 354 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:30,930 left the that chart out in the hall 355 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:32,790 it's TV right there yes yes I 356 00:16:38,270 --> 00:16:35,970 encountered a vaguely a similar problem 357 00:16:40,490 --> 00:16:38,280 when I was involved my own TV show in 358 00:16:43,460 --> 00:16:40,500 Australia in conducting psychic tests 359 00:16:45,140 --> 00:16:43,470 that happens and there was no names but 360 00:16:46,850 --> 00:16:45,150 there was a certain situation where 361 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:46,860 certain props were left where they 362 00:16:52,010 --> 00:16:49,430 shouldn't have been laid in yeah so 363 00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:52,020 careless on their part not on my part 364 00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:52,860 yeah exactly 365 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:54,720 keep in mind exactly right but folks 366 00:16:58,610 --> 00:16:56,850 yeah it's called James Randi psychic 367 00:17:00,560 --> 00:16:58,620 investigator if you YouTube that oh 368 00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,570 google it all those episodes are there 369 00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:02,160 and they're very educational 370 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:06,240 that is what do you say the title was 371 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:08,850 James Randi psychic investigator James 372 00:17:18,050 --> 00:17:12,510 Randi : psychic investigator I'm very 373 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:18,060 fussy well James Randi eyes so good to 374 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:19,650 see you here in New York where you used 375 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:22,250 to live of course for many years and 376 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:24,660 focuses James Randi did a performance 377 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:26,490 last night in front of a packed 378 00:17:32,060 --> 00:17:30,090 auditorium for Messiah I just did a 379 00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:32,070 little talk a little talk yeah well you 380 00:17:36,980 --> 00:17:33,780 did the rope trick yeah well I did the 381 00:17:39,470 --> 00:17:36,990 road I always do there okay yeah just to 382 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:39,480 prove that I I still have some skill 383 00:17:43,490 --> 00:17:41,910 left on it I can still do a couple of 384 00:17:45,410 --> 00:17:43,500 tricks be disappointing if you didn't do 385 00:17:47,420 --> 00:17:45,420 at least one trick that's what what R 386 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:47,430 infinity Richard but I hope you enjoy 387 00:17:50,260 --> 00:17:49,620 the rest of the convention thank you so 388 00:18:08,010 --> 00:17:50,270 much 389 00:18:11,740 --> 00:18:08,020 [Music] 390 00:18:13,630 --> 00:18:11,750 and now direct from the cafe at 391 00:18:17,420 --> 00:18:13,640 Australia's Science Channel 392 00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:17,430 it's brouhaha with Casey Harrigan 393 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:20,230 [Music] 394 00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:22,970 if you're younger than 12 or older than 395 00:18:26,019 --> 00:18:24,620 60 you've got a couple of things in 396 00:18:28,389 --> 00:18:26,029 common you're covered with 397 00:18:30,970 --> 00:18:28,399 microorganisms called RKO and science 398 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:30,980 has been ignoring your skin everyone's 399 00:18:34,269 --> 00:18:33,080 skin is protected by a microbiome a 400 00:18:35,950 --> 00:18:34,279 pretty friendly colony of little 401 00:18:37,180 --> 00:18:35,960 critters that for those of us in the 402 00:18:39,549 --> 00:18:37,190 desperately trying to get could at 403 00:18:42,430 --> 00:18:39,559 adulting demographic is dominated by 404 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:42,440 bacteria because scientific studies on 405 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:44,210 the body tend to describe healthy and 406 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:45,770 middle-aged adults as experimental 407 00:18:49,810 --> 00:18:47,450 subjects that's all we thought the 408 00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,820 microbiome was made up of but a study 409 00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:51,679 from NASA about potential space 410 00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:53,600 exploration contaminants found that 411 00:18:57,730 --> 00:18:55,520 archaea single-celled organisms that 412 00:19:00,370 --> 00:18:57,740 love extreme environments play a crucial 413 00:19:02,260 --> 00:19:00,380 role as well it looks like when we hit 414 00:19:04,450 --> 00:19:02,270 few but in become pimply oil factories 415 00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:04,460 our archaea populations die off 416 00:19:08,980 --> 00:19:06,799 they're fonder of dry skin then as we 417 00:19:10,659 --> 00:19:08,990 age and our skin dries out again our Iko 418 00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,669 return and a pretty helpful when it 419 00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:13,039 comes to keeping us getting clean it 420 00:19:16,690 --> 00:19:14,240 just goes to show you that whether it's 421 00:19:18,460 --> 00:19:16,700 skin medicine or psychology we need 422 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:18,470 science to embrace all types of human 423 00:19:23,289 --> 00:19:20,270 bodies it's the only way we'll actually 424 00:19:26,409 --> 00:19:23,299 find out how we really check 425 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:26,419 for more brouhaha and Australian science 426 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:37,610 head 4ww Australia science TV the wait 427 00:19:43,239 --> 00:19:40,129 is over tickets are now available for 428 00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:43,249 skeptic on the 2017 Australian skeptics 429 00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:45,230 National Convention The Skeptical 430 00:19:49,659 --> 00:19:47,840 highlight of the year our 33rd 431 00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:49,669 convention is being organized by 432 00:19:55,330 --> 00:19:51,679 thinking and will be held on November 433 00:19:58,479 --> 00:19:55,340 the 18th and 19th 2017 at the city 434 00:20:00,190 --> 00:19:58,489 recital hall angel place Sydney this 435 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:00,200 promises to be a great event with 436 00:20:05,229 --> 00:20:02,690 speakers including science media star 437 00:20:08,289 --> 00:20:05,239 dr. 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Brad Makai 443 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:23,629 award-winning documentary maker Sonja 444 00:20:28,599 --> 00:20:25,850 Pemberton Walkley award winning 445 00:20:31,330 --> 00:20:28,609 journalist cathy marks and dr. comb 446 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:31,340 magician doctor veeram sharma more great 447 00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:33,289 speakers will be announced soon as well 448 00:20:37,779 --> 00:20:35,600 as news of the convention dinner on the 449 00:20:40,539 --> 00:20:37,789 night of Saturday the 18th of November 450 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:40,549 single day and full weekend tickets are 451 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:46,130 available skeptic on Australia or a you 452 00:21:00,570 --> 00:20:58,000 here's Maynard spooky action at a 453 00:21:04,620 --> 00:21:03,240 oh look we hear it skeptics at the pub 454 00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:04,630 the skeptics are out and about once 455 00:21:07,889 --> 00:21:05,950 again we've just got here I'm gonna be 456 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:07,899 asking people what is skepticism doing 457 00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:09,250 in the world are we making the world a 458 00:21:12,539 --> 00:21:10,390 better place but that's coming up later 459 00:21:14,370 --> 00:21:12,549 my name's May now but today tonight 460 00:21:16,409 --> 00:21:14,380 we've got someone I rushed here to see 461 00:21:17,789 --> 00:21:16,419 because it's time we heard from someone 462 00:21:19,139 --> 00:21:17,799 who gets out there and does the business 463 00:21:20,370 --> 00:21:19,149 who've we got and what are you going to 464 00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,380 be talking about tonight and what is 465 00:21:24,990 --> 00:21:23,200 your business my business is paranormal 466 00:21:27,389 --> 00:21:25,000 investigating my name is Beth Luscombe 467 00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:27,399 and I run the company access paranormal 468 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:29,830 now that I bump into it the casual oh is 469 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:30,970 that the last place we bumped into each 470 00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:33,010 other a bit you do get around mr. 471 00:21:38,580 --> 00:21:34,750 Maynard's but no it was actually Paracon 472 00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:38,590 Australia last year yes exactly the 473 00:21:42,659 --> 00:21:41,260 exact same talk I'm giving it today how 474 00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:42,669 do you feel when you watch these ghost 475 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:44,200 hunting shows and everyone's just 476 00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:45,610 getting a bit too dramatic and 477 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:49,120 everyone's like oh and yeah it does the 478 00:21:53,009 --> 00:21:50,830 paranormal investigation field a 479 00:21:54,629 --> 00:21:53,019 disservice don't you think it's it's a 480 00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:54,639 two-way street I think is it the service 481 00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:55,840 with the fact that it makes it look 482 00:21:59,039 --> 00:21:57,760 extremely unrealistic but I can imagine 483 00:22:00,990 --> 00:21:59,049 there are people that will look at this 484 00:22:01,980 --> 00:22:01,000 and think everything's unrealistic but 485 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:01,990 the end of the day it actually 486 00:22:05,159 --> 00:22:03,490 highlights a bit of an interest in the 487 00:22:06,690 --> 00:22:05,169 fact it shows that there is a way that 488 00:22:07,710 --> 00:22:06,700 other people can involve themselves in 489 00:22:09,930 --> 00:22:07,720 learning a little bit more or 490 00:22:11,129 --> 00:22:09,940 discovering and Morel wanted to find out 491 00:22:13,379 --> 00:22:11,139 and I honestly Ryan questions about what 492 00:22:14,909 --> 00:22:13,389 happens when we pass away now there's a 493 00:22:17,460 --> 00:22:14,919 great saying within the paranormal that 494 00:22:19,139 --> 00:22:17,470 whenever you look into a phenomenon the 495 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:19,149 phenomenon looks back at you you feel 496 00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:25,049 that sometimes what did you go shows 497 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:27,820 that's completely fine these shows are 498 00:22:30,810 --> 00:22:29,289 really kind of they're good as I said 499 00:22:32,159 --> 00:22:30,820 they raise awareness and and that's the 500 00:22:33,389 --> 00:22:32,169 reason why I originally had started 501 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:33,399 myself but I have become a lot more 502 00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,010 down-to-earth and logistical and common 503 00:22:40,169 --> 00:22:38,320 sense about investigating itself and the 504 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:40,179 skills that are needed and think so that 505 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:42,610 irrationally explained as well what's 506 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:44,230 the usual and normally you go looking 507 00:22:49,049 --> 00:22:45,850 forward that picture interest to think 508 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:49,059 you might investigate a bit further for 509 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:50,470 me it could be array of different things 510 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:52,450 but usually it's from a visual 511 00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:54,250 perspective and something that arm is 512 00:22:57,330 --> 00:22:55,750 actually heard as well I think visual 513 00:22:58,660 --> 00:22:57,340 and audible can be quite interesting 514 00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,670 from that 515 00:23:02,710 --> 00:22:59,840 definitely more from an audible 516 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:02,720 perspective I think then again we are 517 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:04,850 susceptible to to the fact that we might 518 00:23:09,370 --> 00:23:07,730 actually receive something as pareidolia 519 00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:09,380 as we know what do you pareidolia yes 520 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:10,670 Lee as well as we have to keep that in 521 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:12,650 mind but I do find that is really 522 00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:13,850 interesting obviously if it's backed up 523 00:23:17,650 --> 00:23:15,860 with some visual evidence as well could 524 00:23:19,630 --> 00:23:17,660 also help was a evidence I use that term 525 00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:19,640 loosely the visual footage is um 526 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:21,830 interesting too so what's the most 527 00:23:27,910 --> 00:23:26,450 compelling case you've come across is it 528 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:27,920 one that's even close or one that you 529 00:23:31,690 --> 00:23:30,170 went and ah it's probably more an 530 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:31,700 experience I have been an actual case 531 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:34,610 itself I would say did you find unusual 532 00:23:39,010 --> 00:23:36,650 when people approached you and they're 533 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:39,020 pretty certain what they saw and what it 534 00:23:42,790 --> 00:23:41,090 was when that's pretty much almost 535 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:42,800 impossible to figure out if it was an 536 00:23:45,910 --> 00:23:44,690 apparition of some sort there's many 537 00:23:48,430 --> 00:23:45,920 ways that could have been caused 538 00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:48,440 spatially yet they know it's an image of 539 00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:49,640 the devil or something like that and 540 00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:51,230 it's like well that's one that's only 541 00:23:56,290 --> 00:23:53,990 one explanation very true at that point 542 00:23:58,060 --> 00:23:56,300 you actually are looking at dealing and 543 00:23:59,920 --> 00:23:58,070 trying to confront people about their 544 00:24:01,810 --> 00:23:59,930 beliefs it's a lot about people's 545 00:24:05,020 --> 00:24:01,820 beliefs about the afterlife so um if 546 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:05,030 it's a battle you'll never win in that 547 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:06,650 regard so having respect for that and 548 00:24:09,910 --> 00:24:08,210 just knowing that and knowing when when 549 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:09,920 to move and when to know that your game 550 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:11,210 is up when you're trying to talk to 551 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:12,290 somebody about something like that 552 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:14,570 something I like speaking to people who 553 00:24:19,180 --> 00:24:17,330 are into the afterlife and skeptics as 554 00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:19,190 well is the concept of if you could 555 00:24:23,620 --> 00:24:21,620 reliably communicate with people that 556 00:24:26,260 --> 00:24:23,630 were dead on a regular basis that would 557 00:24:28,770 --> 00:24:26,270 so fundamentally change our society that 558 00:24:30,850 --> 00:24:28,780 our society would be unrecognizable 559 00:24:32,380 --> 00:24:30,860 wouldn't that be wonderful but of course 560 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:32,390 that is not the case because as science 561 00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:33,950 knows there is no such thing as the 562 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:35,240 afterlife there's no such thing as 563 00:24:39,010 --> 00:24:37,490 ghosts so until such time yeah that 564 00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:39,020 would be really handy when I'd be asking 565 00:24:43,810 --> 00:24:42,230 for lotto numbers okay it'll be good to 566 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:43,820 know that but then again I thought cheek 567 00:24:48,010 --> 00:24:45,770 because then you'd have people from the 568 00:24:48,550 --> 00:24:48,020 past always telling you what to do so it 569 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:48,560 couldn't 570 00:24:53,650 --> 00:24:52,010 Macha progress in some ways and often 571 00:24:55,330 --> 00:24:53,660 people would sit there and say I saw an 572 00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:55,340 apparition of a lady in a white dress 573 00:24:58,649 --> 00:24:57,110 and she looked Victorian or I saw 574 00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:58,659 somebody who was in a 575 00:25:04,469 --> 00:25:02,559 a sort of apparition sort of uniform and 576 00:25:06,479 --> 00:25:04,479 no one actually says well I saw somebody 577 00:25:08,339 --> 00:25:06,489 in track attacks and a hoodie it never 578 00:25:10,169 --> 00:25:08,349 happens and there's probably a few of 579 00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:10,179 them around exactly I mean if we all 580 00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:12,220 pass away and we might linger around due 581 00:25:15,779 --> 00:25:14,169 to unresolved issues then why am I not 582 00:25:18,659 --> 00:25:15,789 seeing hoodie man and I'm seeing you 583 00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,669 know Victorian ladies where can we catch 584 00:25:21,659 --> 00:25:20,080 what you do online and have a look at 585 00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:21,669 what you've been doing there you can 586 00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:23,769 find all about it on access paranormal 587 00:25:27,629 --> 00:25:26,080 comms and what do you think the accept 588 00:25:29,719 --> 00:25:27,639 extender be like as an audience I mean 589 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:29,729 we do get a reputation as a bit of a 590 00:25:34,349 --> 00:25:32,590 neckbeard come down people sometimes you 591 00:25:36,539 --> 00:25:34,359 know you know you know the harsh your 592 00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:36,549 mellow do something each day that scares 593 00:25:39,629 --> 00:25:38,200 you and when it comes to the paranormal 594 00:25:42,869 --> 00:25:39,639 it's often the dead but today it's about 595 00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,879 the living well of course I'm sitting 596 00:25:46,259 --> 00:25:44,799 down right ringside here looking forward 597 00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:46,269 for the talk to start here everyone's 598 00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:47,950 getting their drinks in their food 599 00:25:53,399 --> 00:25:49,710 together her and who they got here 600 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:53,409 Megan Cleary hello Megan and where do 601 00:25:56,669 --> 00:25:55,450 you Bridget sent me in here today saying 602 00:25:59,039 --> 00:25:56,679 where would the world be without 603 00:26:00,599 --> 00:25:59,049 sceptical groups he wants to know are we 604 00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:00,609 making a difference are you making a 605 00:26:05,729 --> 00:26:03,070 difference you think well it keeps me 606 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:05,739 alive because I find fellow skeptics 607 00:26:14,009 --> 00:26:09,570 where is it a lot of normal society no 608 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:14,019 they don't think beyond whatever tell me 609 00:26:17,249 --> 00:26:15,849 what's the rubbing point you might have 610 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:17,259 it at work or when you're out with 611 00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,849 people is it when they start banging on 612 00:26:23,219 --> 00:26:21,039 about astrology or is it when they're 613 00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:23,229 herbal cures or where's the area where 614 00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:32,369 moments there enough they don't want to 615 00:26:35,159 --> 00:26:33,070 give yourself away 616 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:35,169 well what good do you think skeptical 617 00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:37,110 groups are doing at the moment anyway 618 00:26:53,099 --> 00:26:51,629 what's your pet sceptical favorite area 619 00:27:05,909 --> 00:26:53,109 have you got a favorite area you like to 620 00:27:07,109 --> 00:27:05,919 deal with talk isn't it because I'm 621 00:27:08,399 --> 00:27:07,119 hanging around with the people who are 622 00:27:10,049 --> 00:27:08,409 the heavy hitters of the bar the ones 623 00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:10,059 that keep this bar tab well and truly 624 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:12,700 above the level we need to stay here 625 00:27:16,619 --> 00:27:14,769 who've we got here oh you've got Jessica 626 00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:16,629 and I'm definitely contributing to the 627 00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,609 bar Terry way to go there what do you 628 00:27:21,570 --> 00:27:20,080 think the sceptical movements are doing 629 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:21,580 any useful things in the world at the 630 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:24,330 moment oh I think they're essential yeah 631 00:27:27,930 --> 00:27:26,529 what's the big victory lately then 632 00:27:32,129 --> 00:27:27,940 what's the one that's making everyone do 633 00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:32,139 their happy dance oh no no that the work 634 00:27:36,629 --> 00:27:33,700 is never done there's never a happy 635 00:27:38,249 --> 00:27:36,639 dance there's the occasional 636 00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,259 i-told-you-so dance but that's a good 637 00:27:44,399 --> 00:27:41,440 one yes the the insufferable smugness 638 00:27:44,669 --> 00:27:44,409 dance yes that's all I do and who we got 639 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:44,679 here 640 00:27:48,239 --> 00:27:46,690 we've got Joshua Joshua oh it's good 641 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:48,249 every bit of a chat to you what do you 642 00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:49,330 add where do you think the world is 643 00:27:54,869 --> 00:27:53,200 because of sceptical movements generally 644 00:27:56,579 --> 00:27:54,879 a pretty positive face unfortunately it 645 00:27:58,039 --> 00:27:56,589 seems like we may have gone a little bit 646 00:28:00,799 --> 00:27:58,049 backwards in the last couple of years 647 00:28:05,639 --> 00:28:00,809 what are the inroads that have been lost 648 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:05,649 Trump basically I think losing sanity in 649 00:28:11,489 --> 00:28:08,830 the the whole America is 650 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:11,499 tends to be a pretty large slide 651 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:14,049 backwards but just look the sport of 652 00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,849 golf has gone ahead in leaps and bounds 653 00:28:19,829 --> 00:28:17,200 and he's also changed the rules you can 654 00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:19,839 now drive or drive on a green I didn't 655 00:28:23,399 --> 00:28:20,769 know you could do that 656 00:28:25,169 --> 00:28:23,409 pretty sure you still can't oh okay well 657 00:28:27,419 --> 00:28:25,179 I thought Donald Trump how unless you 658 00:28:28,259 --> 00:28:27,429 owns the golf course I guess y'all go of 659 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:28,269 course if you get away with doing 660 00:28:32,649 --> 00:28:29,690 anything yeah 661 00:28:39,820 --> 00:28:32,659 Trump just provides that that that 662 00:28:42,850 --> 00:28:39,830 continuous level of irritation it's like 663 00:28:45,369 --> 00:28:42,860 the tweets a comedy man their comedy 664 00:28:49,570 --> 00:28:45,379 I just recently I just saw in the news 665 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:49,580 today that NPR since decided to send out 666 00:28:55,710 --> 00:28:51,740 in a series of tweets the Declaration of 667 00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:55,720 Independence and had Trump supporters 668 00:29:00,940 --> 00:28:58,070 attacking them because they didn't 669 00:29:02,409 --> 00:29:00,950 recognize the declaration and thought 670 00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:02,419 that they were attacking Trump when they 671 00:29:07,450 --> 00:29:04,190 started talking about tyrants it was a 672 00:29:10,269 --> 00:29:07,460 communist manifesto exactly and that's 673 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:10,279 why we need skepticism yeah III think 674 00:29:13,389 --> 00:29:11,929 you're probably right there but but it's 675 00:29:15,610 --> 00:29:13,399 amazing us because when Obama came into 676 00:29:17,230 --> 00:29:15,620 power he handed in his Blackberry he got 677 00:29:20,169 --> 00:29:17,240 the official presidential phone which 678 00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,179 was like pact proof but Trump just keeps 679 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:21,679 going on it's like these these things 680 00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:22,850 that I thought gee I thought there was 681 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:25,899 some protocol to be followed but no no 682 00:29:31,149 --> 00:29:28,970 it's we I think most people just assume 683 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:31,159 so previous presidents just went oh I'm 684 00:29:35,139 --> 00:29:32,809 just assuming that I have to hand over 685 00:29:36,820 --> 00:29:35,149 my individual things because I'm doing 686 00:29:38,619 --> 00:29:36,830 this job I think Trump just went no 687 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:38,629 you're not taking this that's why we 688 00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:40,789 need skepticism hey absolutely quick 689 00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:43,940 back to the bar we've been asking about 690 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:47,480 also about the skipper system and is you 691 00:29:49,869 --> 00:29:48,529 know the world a better place for 692 00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:49,879 skepticism what sort of effect is that 693 00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:51,590 having on the world what do you think I 694 00:29:56,499 --> 00:29:54,320 know it's a big question it's a very 695 00:29:59,049 --> 00:29:56,509 difficult question and I think from our 696 00:30:00,730 --> 00:29:59,059 perspective from my perspective I'd like 697 00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,740 to say yeah it's having a very positive 698 00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:01,840 effect 699 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:03,950 having said that sometimes when I'm 700 00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,049 talking to people about skepticism and 701 00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:08,000 what skepticism is the fact that they 702 00:30:12,130 --> 00:30:09,230 haven't even heard of it and they don't 703 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:12,140 really understand all this 704 00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,450 it makes me feel like it's not having as 705 00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:16,640 big an impact as we think it is in our 706 00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:18,200 little sort of which call it echo 707 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:21,350 chamber and as a teacher you have a 708 00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:24,170 unique opportunity with the kids to 709 00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:26,870 introduce it to them I do I do and I get 710 00:30:30,850 --> 00:30:29,780 quite a lot of it into lessons I'm just 711 00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:30,860 going back to what I said a second ago 712 00:30:33,790 --> 00:30:31,910 about the fact that some people don't 713 00:30:36,010 --> 00:30:33,800 really know that much about critical 714 00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:36,020 thinking and even some of my teacher 715 00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:38,180 colleagues scare me with some of the 716 00:30:42,010 --> 00:30:40,520 things they say I wonder how they're 717 00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:42,020 even teach you this is sounding terrible 718 00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:43,550 I wonder how they're even teaching 719 00:30:46,780 --> 00:30:44,870 science because they're not thinking 720 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:46,790 about things from a skeptical scientific 721 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:49,370 point of view but yeah I do I like 722 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:51,110 definitely since I've gotten to 723 00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:53,150 skepticism since I've thought more about 724 00:30:59,950 --> 00:30:57,110 this I definitely say things in my 725 00:31:01,630 --> 00:30:59,960 lessons that are much more towards 726 00:31:03,130 --> 00:31:01,640 getting them to think critically than 727 00:31:06,190 --> 00:31:03,140 the actual knowledge that I'm trying to 728 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:06,200 impart so you know I'm teaching them 729 00:31:09,460 --> 00:31:08,330 skills how to think about things one of 730 00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:09,470 the first things I say to them is you 731 00:31:11,530 --> 00:31:10,910 don't have to trust anything I tell you 732 00:31:13,210 --> 00:31:11,540 in class 733 00:31:15,310 --> 00:31:13,220 you can google everything if you want 734 00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:15,320 you can check everything out you don't 735 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:17,180 have to take my word for anything please 736 00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,650 feel free to check everything because I 737 00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:19,760 think they're used to teachers just 738 00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:22,040 making you know demanding that they 739 00:31:26,770 --> 00:31:24,920 believe what they're saying as the 740 00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:26,780 recent owner of two lovely new kittens 741 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:29,870 is there any room for critical thinking 742 00:31:38,370 --> 00:31:33,890 or skepticism in bringing up kittens not 743 00:31:43,210 --> 00:31:40,450 as you can hear the rooms got about a 744 00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:43,220 hundred people in here it's a big one 745 00:31:47,860 --> 00:31:44,780 for skeptics in the pub because it's the 746 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:47,870 first Thursday from around about 5:30 6 747 00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:49,910 o'clock at the Occidental hotel in 748 00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:52,550 Wynyard in Sydney a lot of you people 749 00:31:56,639 --> 00:31:53,740 here 750 00:31:58,649 --> 00:31:56,649 chatting on drinking on and ready for 751 00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:58,659 tonight's topic of course which is para 752 00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:01,840 mental paranormal experiences versus a 753 00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:24,470 [Music] 754 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,549 [Applause] 755 00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:31,080 look bestest used to talk how was it it 756 00:32:35,399 --> 00:32:32,500 was a very nerve-wracking being in front 757 00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:35,409 the skeptics are you know they say do 758 00:32:38,430 --> 00:32:36,940 something each day that scares you and I 759 00:32:40,169 --> 00:32:38,440 kind of been there and I went into the 760 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:40,179 lion's den and actually the lines were 761 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:42,090 pretty go cave I must have been 762 00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,110 something I've talked about so if 763 00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:46,720 someone is taking like ayahuasca or LSD 764 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:48,580 and that's opening their mind or higher 765 00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:50,110 vibrations and they're seeing something 766 00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:51,760 how do you break down the fact that 767 00:32:54,419 --> 00:32:52,990 they're not seeing something that could 768 00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,429 be real because their minds open to 769 00:32:58,169 --> 00:32:56,320 something as to being something that's 770 00:33:00,930 --> 00:32:58,179 not actually there how do you prove that 771 00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,940 yeah that's a very very different talk 772 00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:03,039 all together as I said with with assess 773 00:33:05,460 --> 00:33:04,120 it obviously centering on the whole 774 00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:05,470 mental illness perspective whole 775 00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:07,240 substance abuse time then that's a whole 776 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:08,860 other ballgame and he said that hot 777 00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:10,210 opens up to so much more because 778 00:33:13,409 --> 00:33:11,620 obviously with LSD and and the 779 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:13,419 experiences that people have and be able 780 00:33:16,889 --> 00:33:14,770 to ascertain whether or not what's real 781 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:16,899 what's not so you make a very very valid 782 00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:18,370 point but yeah that I think there might 783 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:19,630 be another another talk 784 00:33:22,409 --> 00:33:21,250 yeah good cuz how do you yeah because 785 00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,419 how do you have a control in that 786 00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:24,159 because you can't really kiss the 787 00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:26,590 control by its very nature doesn't see a 788 00:33:31,019 --> 00:33:29,200 thing absolutely absolutely and again 789 00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:31,029 it's an individual experience too so you 790 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:32,500 can't sit there like when someone's 791 00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:33,730 individual experience with with a 792 00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,830 particular type of drug that's what 793 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:37,120 you're going on it can be very very 794 00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:38,650 difficult to 795 00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:40,840 you know full-out ascertain and to cross 796 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:42,580 over with some of the mental meant 797 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:44,740 militia because they might be hiding 798 00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:46,810 their addiction so they may look 799 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:48,070 perfectly normal there might be 800 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:49,450 something going on that you can't pick 801 00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,010 up on and that's another level 802 00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,200 altogether isn't it yeah that's so true 803 00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:55,360 you make a very very valid point now you 804 00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,310 are going to the quarantine station said 805 00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,200 to have a look there now I've had 806 00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:01,600 anomalous to tell me that the the war 807 00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:03,580 the very walls of the quarantine station 808 00:34:09,419 --> 00:34:07,360 have recorded in the rock EVP that you 809 00:34:12,540 --> 00:34:09,429 can playback so that's pretty 810 00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:12,550 interesting I always find any that type 811 00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:15,390 of recordings or visual footage per se 812 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:17,740 as I'm probably a little bit more 813 00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:19,210 skeptical than most I use that word 814 00:34:23,370 --> 00:34:21,820 skeptical so yeah I do find that the 815 00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:23,380 quarantine quarantine station is a very 816 00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:24,790 interesting location because there's 817 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,929 lots of different buildings but I think 818 00:34:31,290 --> 00:34:27,520 stuff like that when people say you know 819 00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,300 for teachers stuff might you know wanted 820 00:34:35,340 --> 00:34:33,280 because a lot of people died there was 821 00:34:36,750 --> 00:34:35,350 it just because it's very spooky it's 822 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:36,760 meant to be Halldor because a lot of 823 00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:38,260 death there's a lot of people death but 824 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:40,300 with the way much they died so a lot of 825 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:44,050 places will gain variety because it's 826 00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:45,850 got tragedy associated to the death so 827 00:34:48,810 --> 00:34:46,870 it's not just kind of just died from 828 00:34:50,730 --> 00:34:48,820 natural causes then people won't be as 829 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:50,740 more drawn to actually going to that 830 00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:52,330 particular place to investigate but if 831 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:54,190 they die of tragic terms that means the 832 00:34:57,450 --> 00:34:55,810 chances of the possible activity 833 00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:57,460 actually being something there to 834 00:35:00,830 --> 00:34:59,290 investigate will be higher because that 835 00:35:02,670 --> 00:35:00,840 whatever angst might be left behind 836 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:02,680 wouldn't that mean that you wouldn't be 837 00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:04,090 able to get in you in near a hospital 838 00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:05,590 because of the amount of ghosts near 839 00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:08,230 Earth a regular hospital we all see this 840 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:09,880 regular hospitals and then as the ones 841 00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,050 that did click bottom ease and there's 842 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:12,640 the ones that looked at TV and there's 843 00:35:15,570 --> 00:35:14,050 the ones that you know so they're the 844 00:35:17,070 --> 00:35:15,580 they're that sort of oldest are ones 845 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:17,080 recent the hospitals probably not as 846 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:18,010 much we think again there are people 847 00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,690 that explain about having power of 848 00:35:23,070 --> 00:35:21,760 possible paranormal experiences in in 849 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:23,080 normal hospitals anyway while they're 850 00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:24,970 visiting family friends Beth has a bit 851 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:26,440 of a paranormal investigator is there 852 00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:28,690 one half-decent show you would recommend 853 00:35:32,370 --> 00:35:30,520 there is a paranormal investigation show 854 00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:32,380 that's worth a bit of a look on a sort 855 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:35,560 of balance level kind of like you were 856 00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:37,150 biased here there is actually one that I 857 00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:39,240 was involved in poured into 858 00:35:42,799 --> 00:35:41,190 or in blackness Antonio Bruce which 859 00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:42,809 means in darkness so it's the darker 860 00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,760 side of paranormal and really looked at 861 00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:46,800 it from a journalistic point of view and 862 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:48,180 different cases and aspects and and 863 00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:50,490 things like you know um suicide and 864 00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:51,540 things like that when it comes to the 865 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:53,339 peril of what happens after we die so 866 00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:55,170 it's um it's it's a lot more of a 867 00:35:59,960 --> 00:35:57,300 learner type of paranormal investigation 868 00:36:02,750 --> 00:35:59,970 on YouTube where we find that that's on 869 00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:02,760 a website called very paranormal calm 870 00:36:08,089 --> 00:36:05,160 very paranormal calm that sounds like 871 00:36:10,099 --> 00:36:08,099 worth a look a look and thank you for 872 00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:10,109 braving the skeptics in or not there's 873 00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:11,640 one or two neckbeards but I think you 874 00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:15,780 did well I'm glad I got a few cos then I 875 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:17,420 wouldn't have done my job 876 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:20,490 I'm here with dr. Brad York you would 877 00:36:23,420 --> 00:36:22,170 the naughty kids up the back I couldn't 878 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:23,430 get in you having a great time up the 879 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:26,450 back there I nearly fell off the sofa 880 00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:29,250 slips in the back try to get a good view 881 00:36:34,099 --> 00:36:32,550 now as a GP who everyday sees a whole 882 00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:34,109 range of people and being a GP is a 883 00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:36,030 difficult gig and if you see someone who 884 00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:37,079 has something that may have a 885 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:40,140 psychiatric issue how do you broach it 886 00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:41,609 with the person because they think they 887 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:42,839 might have a physical problem or 888 00:36:46,309 --> 00:36:44,730 something and you see they may need to 889 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:46,319 be referred to someone how do you gently 890 00:36:49,549 --> 00:36:47,970 do that well that's the whole problem 891 00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:49,559 with mental health if somebody has 892 00:36:55,579 --> 00:36:53,760 psychosis or schizophrenia part of the 893 00:36:58,039 --> 00:36:55,589 problem is that they have delusions and 894 00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,049 so the definition of the delusion is 895 00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,760 believing something despite all the 896 00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,440 evidence saying that it's something else 897 00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,839 and so yeah if you're trying to say look 898 00:37:07,819 --> 00:37:06,480 you're not like I can't see any demons 899 00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:07,829 floating around in your head at the 900 00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,740 moment then they will still believe that 901 00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,200 despite what you say so it's a fixed 902 00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,079 formed delusion in their head so yeah 903 00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:18,720 it's really hard often you need to be 904 00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:19,710 very persuasive 905 00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:21,510 if you think that they're going to be a 906 00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:23,339 danger to themselves or other people do 907 00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:24,599 you need to be directing them up to the 908 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:27,000 hospital and straight away or calling 909 00:37:31,309 --> 00:37:29,609 the crisis assessment team so that's a 910 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:31,319 group of psychiatrists that will often 911 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:33,089 come to the patient's house and your 912 00:37:36,289 --> 00:37:34,530 entire career have you had to actually 913 00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:36,299 have dissection someone's had to have 914 00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,040 them put away serve against they will 915 00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:39,599 because they were danger themselves that 916 00:37:43,789 --> 00:37:41,190 ever happened even once in your career 917 00:37:45,319 --> 00:37:43,799 it's happened many times yes I used to 918 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:45,329 work on the psychiatric ward so I have 919 00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,690 to do it all the time 920 00:37:50,579 --> 00:37:49,119 but yeah it's it's really difficult and 921 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:50,589 I suppose at the moment with funding in 922 00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,690 Australia as well we're having less 923 00:37:56,370 --> 00:37:54,640 funding towards psychiatrists and so 924 00:37:57,839 --> 00:37:56,380 there's less opportunity for people to 925 00:38:00,480 --> 00:37:57,849 actually go and visit somebody at their 926 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:00,490 house and make sure that they're okay so 927 00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:01,750 often people will be at their own 928 00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:03,369 devices they'll be talking to their 929 00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:07,119 demons literally and and yeah it's a 930 00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:09,310 really difficult situation because gp's 931 00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:10,720 aren't going to go to their house if 932 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:12,369 they don't have friends because they're 933 00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:14,770 isolated and they're at home and then we 934 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:16,420 don't have the resources in Australia to 935 00:38:20,190 --> 00:38:18,250 go and visit them and yeah like I've 936 00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:20,200 contact the crisis assessment team and 937 00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,300 they say oh yeah it's Monday now we'll 938 00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:23,680 get there as soon as we can we'll see 939 00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:25,990 them on Thursday and if they're at a 940 00:38:30,270 --> 00:38:28,630 danger to themselves or others then yeah 941 00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:30,280 where we're left with the police going 942 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:32,920 over there as well so yeah so the other 943 00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:35,650 issue that we have as well as alcohol or 944 00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,990 other drugs yes that wasn't raised in 945 00:38:41,970 --> 00:38:39,520 this but there would be moments where 946 00:38:43,890 --> 00:38:41,980 people are taking or like I mean acid or 947 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:43,900 ayahuasca or even planning on everyday 948 00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:45,970 meth and seeing something and thinking 949 00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,760 it's real yeah so if somebody's going 950 00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:50,560 into the emergency department and 951 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:52,990 they're high then the psychiatrists will 952 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:54,490 say oh well they're high I'll deal with 953 00:38:58,740 --> 00:38:56,890 them when they're better so take it for 954 00:39:00,930 --> 00:38:58,750 example you have somebody with psychosis 955 00:39:02,849 --> 00:39:00,940 who's also drunk then they'll go into 956 00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:02,859 the hospital and then the psychiatrist 957 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:04,630 will say oh well he's drunk 958 00:39:07,950 --> 00:39:06,130 when he's sober then I'll deal with them 959 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:07,960 and then once they've sobered up then 960 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:09,609 they sort of dis self discharge and go 961 00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:11,410 home so it's a really tricky situation 962 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:14,200 sort of juggling between what is 963 00:39:18,809 --> 00:39:16,450 considered to be a mental health issue 964 00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:18,819 and what is considered to be alcohol or 965 00:39:23,819 --> 00:39:21,310 other drugs so such a crossover and 966 00:39:26,370 --> 00:39:23,829 everyone wants to not have to do work so 967 00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:26,380 so doctors will often choose the other 968 00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:29,470 side and patients are bounce backwards 969 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:31,150 influence that thanks Brad it was great 970 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:32,170 to have a chat too about the whole thing 971 00:39:36,329 --> 00:39:34,510 and I believe this was a meeting of the 972 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:36,339 skeptical elite this week is there 973 00:39:43,230 --> 00:39:37,690 anything on the jetty agenda you'd like 974 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:43,240 to let us know about it's all secretive 975 00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:47,410 isn't it the word you're looking for the 976 00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,630 phrase is the shadowy elite 977 00:39:52,380 --> 00:39:51,040 and I know you wanted a shadowy elite 978 00:39:54,030 --> 00:39:52,390 Brad I'll let you go and I couldn't 979 00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:54,040 possibly tell you anything that's going 980 00:40:01,280 --> 00:39:56,710 on in the meeting you have to be wearing 981 00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:03,570 I'm here up the up the back end of the 982 00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:05,590 room where where dr. Brad was having a 983 00:40:09,630 --> 00:40:07,030 bit of a muck around and would you make 984 00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:09,640 it that talk the best game oh yeah it 985 00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:13,150 was really good I loved it have you 986 00:40:16,770 --> 00:40:14,830 actually seen anything that you think is 987 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:16,780 compelling in the paranormal world that 988 00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:18,610 is worthy of a further investigation 989 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:22,750 no I can't say I have I'm not getting a 990 00:40:25,770 --> 00:40:24,490 lot of that here tonight there go to 991 00:40:28,350 --> 00:40:25,780 Jess what about you because because you 992 00:40:29,850 --> 00:40:28,360 love the paranormal stuff I do love it 993 00:40:31,860 --> 00:40:29,860 we were just actually talking about this 994 00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:31,870 now the closest things of experience to 995 00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:33,880 possible paranormal events but so far 996 00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,150 there's um nothing convincing with that 997 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:39,040 you go to a cemetery this weekend or 998 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:42,850 something sometime soon I think I'm 999 00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:44,530 probably good at convincing myself to 1000 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:46,150 feel scared even if there's nothing 1001 00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:48,760 really there to make movies good I'm 1002 00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:50,320 gonna be scared again what about you to 1003 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:51,550 think there's anything compelling we 1004 00:40:57,090 --> 00:40:52,930 should be looking at in the paranormal 1005 00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:57,100 world no I'm getting a lot of that 1006 00:41:01,530 --> 00:40:58,920 tonight I get a look actually a 1007 00:41:07,590 --> 00:41:01,540 skeptical movement has changed the world 1008 00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:07,600 for better you think where do you think 1009 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:09,220 the world would be without skeptical 1010 00:41:13,590 --> 00:41:11,710 movements at the moment paranormal stuff 1011 00:41:16,229 --> 00:41:13,600 I think maybe we've helped people be 1012 00:41:18,629 --> 00:41:16,239 just a little bit more 1013 00:41:21,149 --> 00:41:18,639 a little more skeptical and how they 1014 00:41:22,739 --> 00:41:21,159 look at things maybe not so gullible or 1015 00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:22,749 at least I hope that's the influence we 1016 00:41:27,809 --> 00:41:25,209 have what's your most interested area of 1017 00:41:30,029 --> 00:41:27,819 the paranormal you a ghost guy a UFO guy 1018 00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:30,039 a flying around the room guy here 1019 00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:37,359 Catching Fire guy huh astrology I'm not 1020 00:41:45,029 --> 00:41:39,369 sure I have much time for any of them 1021 00:41:47,269 --> 00:41:45,039 really was great now what did you make 1022 00:41:50,699 --> 00:41:47,279 Ali fear of the talk we just saw I 1023 00:41:52,919 --> 00:41:50,709 actually seen her top before because we 1024 00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:52,929 were part of the people who doubted her 1025 00:42:00,419 --> 00:41:57,689 out at the UFO meeting had the UFO 1026 00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:00,429 advocates go seeing her talk as the 1027 00:42:04,919 --> 00:42:03,129 talks not really about UFOs no it was it 1028 00:42:09,619 --> 00:42:04,929 was pretty much the same talk the 1029 00:42:12,089 --> 00:42:09,629 reception to it was much much different 1030 00:42:14,789 --> 00:42:12,099 like to our perspective watching that 1031 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:14,799 talk she really led us down the path of 1032 00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:19,089 oh look here's some symptoms associated 1033 00:42:23,549 --> 00:42:21,549 with paranormal experiences oh look 1034 00:42:25,889 --> 00:42:23,559 they're the same symptoms associated 1035 00:42:28,649 --> 00:42:25,899 with some mental illnesses here's a 1036 00:42:30,179 --> 00:42:28,659 video where it's pretty obvious this 1037 00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:30,189 guy's suffering from mental illnesses 1038 00:42:35,609 --> 00:42:32,049 and it's being exploited by the 1039 00:42:37,649 --> 00:42:35,619 producers however when we watch it with 1040 00:42:39,989 --> 00:42:37,659 the UFO crew the response to that was 1041 00:42:41,489 --> 00:42:39,999 basically I guess it could be mental 1042 00:42:43,399 --> 00:42:41,499 illness but no I think he's definitely 1043 00:42:47,339 --> 00:42:43,409 possessed by demons 1044 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:47,349 whereas Hume the audience response was 1045 00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:51,849 was I think more led towards he's an 1046 00:42:58,019 --> 00:42:56,649 actor he's putting it on too even if he 1047 00:42:59,920 --> 00:42:58,029 is suffering he's definitely being 1048 00:43:03,339 --> 00:42:59,930 exploited by 1049 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:03,349 by a TV station so yeah very different 1050 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:05,930 very different responses to fame and 1051 00:43:08,650 --> 00:43:07,010 look something I heard about tonight 1052 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:08,660 you're but a stranger things down under 1053 00:43:12,339 --> 00:43:10,910 planned for a cemetery soon is that 1054 00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:12,349 correct is that one we can talk about 1055 00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:15,680 yet yes so for July we are going to be 1056 00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:18,880 doing an outing to the Rockwood cemetery 1057 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:20,750 self-guided tour and fortunately we 1058 00:43:24,549 --> 00:43:23,210 missed the official tour for July but 1059 00:43:26,380 --> 00:43:24,559 we're going to be looking at some of the 1060 00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:26,390 famous people that are buried there and 1061 00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:29,180 trying to check out now that's a real 1062 00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:31,430 hang for goth people to get their photo 1063 00:43:37,269 --> 00:43:35,480 taken at night isn't it goth hang take 1064 00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:37,279 your Siouxsie and the Banshees CDs with 1065 00:43:47,980 --> 00:43:45,200 you at 1:00 at 178 or so the remnants of 1066 00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:47,990 some ritual that involved an ox heart 1067 00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:49,910 which was a limit you're kissing it the 1068 00:43:58,299 --> 00:43:56,000 next day stranger things down under on 1069 00:43:59,950 --> 00:43:58,309 Facebook on Facebook please check it out 1070 00:44:04,630 --> 00:43:59,960 please sign up to the event if you want 1071 00:44:06,549 --> 00:44:04,640 to come well that's it for skeptics in 1072 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:06,559 the pub for July don't forget it's the 1073 00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,690 first Thursday in August get along here 1074 00:44:13,089 --> 00:44:10,160 for it it'll be an interesting talk 1075 00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:13,099 about 100 skeptics you can they're just 1076 00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:15,140 butt up against and do the skeptical 1077 00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:18,140 thing do that skip the cool teen man may 1078 00:44:39,449 --> 00:44:36,769 on Manor kaamdar you bunga bunga 37 1079 00:44:42,059 --> 00:44:39,459 that's why you're smiling and this show 1080 00:44:45,029 --> 00:44:42,069 is like no other we are taking you into 1081 00:44:47,069 --> 00:44:45,039 the fundraising heart of the ALP in 1082 00:44:49,739 --> 00:44:47,079 Sydney yeah they actually let us in in 1083 00:44:52,890 --> 00:44:49,749 fact they actually asked me to be the 1084 00:44:54,479 --> 00:44:52,900 master of ceremonies I don't know how 1085 00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:54,489 that happened right now that will all 1086 00:44:57,989 --> 00:44:56,169 become clear as we go later into the 1087 00:45:00,179 --> 00:44:57,999 show and a lot of things happen that we 1088 00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:00,189 didn't expect wasn't that right Tim did 1089 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:07,569 they watch I've never been called to my 1090 00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,650 face since I was at free school in 1977 1091 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:13,359 I've never seen Ferguson get a reaction 1092 00:45:16,799 --> 00:45:15,249 like it 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Harriet hall and and 1117 00:46:39,319 --> 00:46:36,089 some others there I'll throw into the 1118 00:46:42,229 --> 00:46:39,329 mix also coming up next week part one of 1119 00:46:43,969 --> 00:46:42,239 a series of interviews with and read the 1120 00:46:46,249 --> 00:46:43,979 director of the National Center for 1121 00:46:48,799 --> 00:46:46,259 Science education based in Oakland 1122 00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:48,809 California this was the same 1123 00:46:53,419 --> 00:46:51,089 organization where dr. eugenie Scott 1124 00:46:55,969 --> 00:46:53,429 worked for many years dr. Scott do you 1125 00:46:59,809 --> 00:46:55,979 remember last week we were discussing 1126 00:47:02,329 --> 00:46:59,819 the science of beekeeping well Ann Reid 1127 00:47:04,819 --> 00:47:02,339 and I sat down just a few days ago and 1128 00:47:06,529 --> 00:47:04,829 she fills us in on the progress made in 1129 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:06,539 the last few years by the National 1130 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:08,729 Center for science education and some of 1131 00:47:13,009 --> 00:47:11,130 the ongoing issues the National Center 1132 00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,019 for Science education helping to promote 1133 00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:15,839 the science behind evolution and climate 1134 00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,329 change well I think I've done pretty 1135 00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:20,640 well today considering I've just flown 1136 00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:28,429 jetlag hasn't caught up with me at all 1137 00:47:34,249 --> 00:47:32,400 no not at all where's my pillow so until 1138 00:47:36,739 --> 00:47:34,259 next week where I'm sure I'll be snapped 1139 00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:36,749 back into this time zone this is Richard 1140 00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:39,089 Saunders signing off from Sydney 1141 00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:46,140 you've been listening to the skeptic 1142 00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:49,960 zone podcast visit our website at WWF 1143 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:52,870 tech zone TV for contacts an archive of 1144 00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:56,770 all episodes since 2008 and our online 1145 00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,440 store please support the skeptic zone by 1146 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:02,160 following us on twitter at skeptic zone 1147 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:05,170 liking us on facebook and leaving a 1148 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:06,730 review on itunes 1149 00:48:11,550 --> 00:48:08,770 you can also show your support by 1150 00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:11,560 subscribing via PayPal for as little as 1151 00:48:17,370 --> 00:48:15,190 99 cents a week the skeptic zone is an 1152 00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:17,380 independent production the views and 1153 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:19,300 opinions expressed on the skeptic zone 1154 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:21,490 are not necessarily those of Australian